Advice about DNA Testing (From Darin Neves)

I will try to keep this short and basic. If you can afford it, I would recommend a Y-DNA 67 marker test and a Family Finder from Family TreeDNA ( They usually have a holiday sale. (Ed. – I think it is going on now.)

For researching the Neve surname definitely the Y-DNA test. This is the test where you can join the surname group to find the origins of your surname. This is the test that I would be interested in seeing your results.

If you are interested in genetic genealogy in general and want to research your entire family ancestry, then I would add the Family Finder test.
There are 3 basic tests for genetic genealogy.

1. Y-DNA is the Paternal lineage or surname line. The Y chromosome is passed down from father to son unchanged with each generation. Every few generation there may be a mutation that occurs in one of the segments. This is how they track the “relatedness” of males with similar markers.

The Y-DNA test is the test you want to do if you want to find out about your surname line. Not to confuse things further but there are additional tests inside the Y-DNA that can narrow your surname group into more precise haplogroups. For instance I have done extensive tests that show my Y chromosome type is most common in the Belguim region. This makes me think that my Neves surname originated from the surname Neve which is common in that area.

There are several Y-DNA tests available depending on how many markers you want tested. 67 is the minimum suggested markers if you are interested in finding out more about your surname. 111 markers is the most you can test at this time. Anything under 37 is a waste of time unless you are only interested in finding out what your Haplogroup is.

Kaarin’s father tested 67 and I have tested 111. We are 3rd cousins and we match 66/67 markers. That tells us that in the last 3 generations there has been only one mutation since our common ancestor.

The more markers you match to someone the closer your relation. If you were to test 67 markers and we matched 60/67 that would tell us that we definitely have a common paternal ancestor. This is just a guess but within 20 generations for example.

2. atDNA (Autosomal DNA) or Family Finder as Family Tree DNA calls it, is all of the combined DNA from all of your ancestors. This is the test you want to do if you are interested in finding others who share common ancestors with you. By matching others you can find who your common ancestor is. This confirms that that particular ancestor is correct when you do not have any paper trail.

This is helpful when you do not know much about your family tree and want to build it by discovering cousins who can contribute to your tree through matching.

In Kaarin and my own case, this will help us find links to our unknown great grandfathers family by matching others who descend from our great grandfathers ancestors.

3. mtDNA (Mitochondrial DNA) is the Maternal lineage. Mitochondrial DNA is passed from mother to child but only females pass it on to their children. This is the best way to trace your maternal lineage. Your mtDNA is the same as your mother’s mother’s mother etc…

The mutation rate in mtDNA is low so it is almost impossible to find relatives this way. You may match someone exactly from 1,000 years ago. This test is basically a way of finding your maternal haplogroup.

Sussex Family Historian References

I was looking up information about Neves connections in Sussex and came up with a bunch of them in a series of books/newsletters called the Sussex Family Historian that can be found at the LDS Family History Library. ( From what I can tell, it is not available on film or online.

Please look below and let me know if you have a copy of these or, if you live in Utah or near a family history library, if you will get a copy of the relevant pages and mail or scan and email them to me.

  1. Brede emigrants by Andrew Barnes. A list of emigrants giving surname, christian name, some maiden names, number of children, and destination, date of departure. Surnames are: Warner, Philcox, Kedwell, Neves, Ward, Barnes, Henly and Selmes. Article covers the year 1838 in the parish of Brede, Sussex, England. Article in the Sussex Family Historian Volume 11 #7 September 1995, pg 260[68]
  2. The Saxbys of Catsfield by Michael Saxby. John Saxby married Elizabeth Row 18 July Catsfield. They had at least six children. A historical narrative of thier descendants give surnames as: Dennis, Whiting, Filmer, Neaves, Butcher, and Amon. Article covers the years 1682 – 1884 in the parish of Catsfield, Sussex, England. Article in the Sussex Family Historian Volume 16 #8 December 2005, pgs 372-374[106]
  3. A few Fullers of Waldron and East Dean by Janet Pennington. Photographs of Mark Fuller c1922 and in 1912. Daisy Winchester c1900 and 1905; Carolina Baldy Fuller, mid 19th century; Naomi Fuller c1860 and 1882. Mark Fuller was born at Little London, Waldron c1837. Also a photo of Dr. Janet Holden Pennington. Article covers the years 1811 – 1969 in the parishes of Waldron and East Dean, Sussex, England. Article in the Sussex Family Historian Volume 19 #2 June 2010, pgs 88-93[125] (because William was born in Waldron)

~Kaarin (Neves) Engelmann

Welcome to the Neves Family Network Blog!

For whatever reason, I’ve been obsessed with researching the Neves family genealogy over the past few days. This happens to me occasionally. I guess it was because the results of my dad’s DNA study came back and we matched with a previously unknown relative who is also looking for Dinah’s son William’s father. Darin wrote to us excited to finally have a match–there haven’t been many in the Nieves Family DNA study.

As I was waiting to hear back from him, I cruised through various genealogy sites and stumbled across records on that indicated a Thomas Neves was William’s father. (In fact, Thomas has even had his LDS temple work done.) I got excited and started searching the internet for a reference to verify that there was really a connection. And on, I came up with a census entry from 1841 that kept the excitement going.

1841 England Census showing a William Neves as the son of a Thomas Neves

1841 England Census showing a William Neves as the son of a Thomas Neves

Then I received Darin’s email, and he indicated that he’s looked into the connection before, in fact many connections. He said that he removed Thomas from his family tree because too many people were copying it without the verification to know that the connection was actually a true one. And, yes, I was reminded about what a tricky thing genealogy research is. (I subsequently found records of a William Neves born at about the right time arriving in Australia in 1838.)

Willilam Neves (born about 1814) arrives in New South Wales, Australia, on the Palmyra on 26 Sep 1838.

William Neves (born about 1814) arrives in New South Wales, Australia, on the Palmyra on 26 Sep 1838.

This actually got me more determined, though. Now I want to do loads of research to find the descendants of all of those potential fathers for William Neves and get them to submit DNA samples so that, perhaps we can move along this research that has been at the brick wall stage for so many years.

Maybe we won’t make any progress above what’s already been dones, but I’m also part of the Pace Family DNA Study, and through enough years, they were able to sort out several lines of Paces, so I’m hopeful 🙂

~Kaarin Neves Engelmann